REAL ID is Coming

[Dave Siciliano]

Good you did that. Wouldn’t want to get ICEed in. :-)

[John Gaitskill]

I just renewed my NC driver's license, but didn't go through the REAL ID hassle. I use my passport.

[Jeff Hartmann]

California says unexpired...doesn't make sense to me, did your ID change with the date, Picture...(?)

Step 1 of 5: Prove Your Identity

To apply for a REAL ID card, you must present one identity document, which shows your date of birth, true full name, and identity. Select ONE document you will use.

Select a document that has your current true full name (first, middle and last). An original document or certified copy is required.

Note: California law requires an applicant to provide true full name, which is the name that will appear on your physical DL or ID card.

• Valid, unexpired U.S. passport or passport card.
• Certified copy of U.S birth certificate (issued by a city, county, or state vital statistics office).
• U.S. Certificate of Birth Abroad or Consular Report of Birth Abroad of U.S. Citizen.
• Unexpired foreign passport with valid U.S. Visa and approved I-94 form.
• Certified copy of birth certificate from a U.S. Territory.
• Certificate of Naturalization or Certificate of U.S. Citizenship.
• Valid, unexpired Permanent Resident Card.
• Valid/unexpired Employment Authorization Document (EAD) Card (I-766) or valid/expired EAD Card with Notice of Action (I-797 C).

[Terry Carraway]

Hmm, here is what the MD site says :

U.S. Passport - valid or expired less than 5 years

I think that either your passport has been expired more than 5 years, of the DMV person was wrong.

[Ward Miller]

DMV would not accept my expired passport.

Mase, I've often wondered about that. The document(s) required to get the original passport didn't just disappear when the passport expired. They continue to be valid.

[Mase Taylor]

Did you try your expired passport? It is still valid to prove citizenship. And if not expired more than 5 years, usable to obtain new one.

DMV would not accept my expired passport.

[Terry Carraway]

... which I then took back to the DMV and got my "enhanced" driver's license mailed to me. Just wasted a lot of time for something I guess I didn't really need since I could have just used my US passport as the required ID.

Enhanced or REAL?

There is a difference. And on other forums, I have seen a LOT of confusion over this.

Only 5 or so states (of course NY is one) issue Enhanced DLs. These work as a passport card for land crossings of the Canadian border.

[Terry Carraway]

Andy, I recently obtained a Standard driver's license, when my old DL expired. Because I'll never be riding a commercial plane again, never again enter a Federal building and never be crossing the border, I just let them provide a Standard, avoiding a trip to the DMV. I've used it for ID several times and while exercising my right behind the wheel, like today when I went for a haircut. Ninety-one isn't too old to drive, is it? <g>

Nope, my Dad is 92 and still drives.

In some states, REAL ID is not optional. Only way to get a standard license is to be a illegal immigrant.

[Terry Carraway]

From what I'm seeing, it's being used to train the computer on how to recognize people - it's not taking the faces to ID that person should they show up somewhere else. However, that's a distinction that's likely lost on a number of people.

Although, your passport photo is being used. I had one flight last year out of DTW that used facial recognition for boarding. Did not have to show boarding card or passport. Step up, system looks at you, beeps and flashes green, you board.

[Terry Carraway]

And, Maryland has to "recall" 66,000 driver's licenses.

66,300 Marylanders could have driver's licenses recalled in June as REAL ID deadline looms, MVA says

I mentioned this. This idiot state (I live in MD), mailed REAL ID complaint licenses to a lot of people (now I know 66,300 people) without them providing the supporting documentation. They were supposed to come into provide that.

As I understand it, if you did not supply the proper documentation, they would suspend your license.

But I was wondering what the Feds would think of this, as you would still have the license, and only the state would know it was suspended.

[Terry Carraway]

Andy, when I was a kid my folks kept my birth certificate with the family's important paper. I first used it in 1944 when I enlist in the Air Corps. I kept it and used it several more times while in the Army. Used it when I enrolled in college; when I applied for a driver's license on several occasions in several states; when I applied for SSA; when I applied for a job with IBM.

In the 1970's, when I applied for a passport, I presented it and the clerk said it was not valid because it did not have a raised seal! I explained how I had used it for many years . . . and they finally accepted it. <sigh> All those years and all of those times, it was not an official birth certificate!

Also, many people have, for many years, used the hospital certificate of live birth, which is not a legal birth certificate. They are just finding this out. Actual birth certificate is issued by a government agency (state or county).

[Terry Carraway]

I got mine last month. My passport expired so I used a birth certificate and two proofs of address.

Did you try your expired passport? It is still valid to prove citizenship. And if not expired more than 5 years, usable to obtain new one.

[Dave Siciliano]

If you go on-line and search, there are a lot of FR programs being offered. It's coming. Just a matter of how and when. We are seeing more folks wake up to what's being done with their on-line information even without their permission. Hopefully, some additional measures will be taken to protect privacy.

[Russell Holton]

Real ID is coming in another sense. This web site which was to store photos, used them to develop facial recognition of it's users.

From what I'm seeing, it's being used to train the computer on how to recognize people - it's not taking the faces to ID that person should they show up somewhere else. However, that's a distinction that's likely lost on a number of people.

[Dave Siciliano]

Real ID is coming in another sense. This web site which was to store photos, used them to develop facial recognition of it's users. Millions of people uploaded photos to the Ever app. Then the company used them to develop facial recognition tools.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/securit...-them-n1003371